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In his third book of poetry, 鈥淔elon,鈥� Reginald Dwayne Betts contemplates life after prison: 鈥淭he rooms in my head keep secrets that indict / Me still; my chorus of unspoken larcenies. / You carry that knowledge into your twilight, / & live without regret for your guilty pleas.鈥� The sense that prison sticks with you, haunts you even after you are released 鈥� as he was in 2005 鈥� permeates the book.

Betts joined us for a second conversation on At Liberty this week. We discussed his life as an artist 鈥� the poems of 鈥淔elon,鈥� along with a recent exhibit at MoMA PS1 he collaborated on with painter Titus Kaphar 鈥� as well as how the current moment changes the artist鈥檚 role and work. As a legal scholar who 鈥� to maximum security [prison],鈥� incarceration and its lingering after-effects are woven throughout Betts鈥� art and scholarship. He speaks candidly with our host, Emerson Sykes, about the challenges of reentering society after being behind bars, and how those challenges are amplified for people who are released during a pandemic.

In spite of the adversity those who are released in the coming months will inevitably face, Betts doesn鈥檛 waver on what must be done to protect vulnerable people from COVID-19: 鈥淢ost everybody should be released 鈥� Now you have people being released who just wouldn't have been released three, four months ago. But I'm saying that we need to push it even harder. And I think people inside recognize that even more.鈥�

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